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oh here we are

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oh

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here we are stevieve early Stevie Stevie

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just reminiscing

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oh no

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oh boy

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wonder what we can get rifles

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that's the same vehicle

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that was there I'm sure that's the same

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that's the house

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I knew we could walk up bucket you know

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what that is so weird okay I lost it

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last time I was like I've got a swine

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could walk up there

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say it oh my God that's where it all

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happened

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they've put an extension on there aren't

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they well that's the main house

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and use them at a change yeah well that

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was a little bit mad so we drove up to

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the house and his Stevie boy so we drove

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up to the house okay so have a little

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look and anyway the people were on the

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house that were there so we had a little

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chat with them oh we've been actually on

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the land stood where we were done to do

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I mean a lot of it's changed there's so

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many more buildings on that property now

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uh so we couldn't actually walk any of

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the bits where I you know where I ran uh

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because that's all been built on now

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that doesn't exist anymore but the

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little corner where I was stood that's

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still kind of there even though it's not

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the same everything's grown the Wall's

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gone

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um the chicken wire fence Etc that's not

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there anymore either so but the trees

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are still there so I've got a photograph

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of the trees we had a good chat with

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them they were really really nice and

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weren't freaked out or anything thank

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God but

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um so so now we're just gonna have a

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little mooch about and do some filming

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and take some pictures and see if we can

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kind of get the angles of where we first

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saw saw the lights as they were coming

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over towards us maybe even a little bit

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of a mooch of the the walk that we did

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the next day when we were looking for

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any reason to explain these lights which

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ridiculously included a nightclub with

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anything come on we've got to find a

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reason for this because what what it

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appeared to be is impossible so

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but obviously not impossible because it

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was there but

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so that was a bit mental

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stop shaking I was shaking like mad when

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I was on the property but they were a

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lovely couple they were really really

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nice people

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so uh yeah I didn't expect to be able to

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do that

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we were here were these trees this

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groceries this is like here

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I'm pretty sure that's kind of where we

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were

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so it's come from here and the furthest

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part of the

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Horizon and then moved in inwards put

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zigzags in and to here

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okay it's a little bit windy so

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hopefully

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uh you'll be able to hear what you're

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saying so here we are

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over the valley

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where do you think it came in Steve okay

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we will have been just located down here

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uh so we could actually overlook

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Valley in front of the valley over to

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when I saw the lights appear

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I was looking over this way in between

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the valleys and this is when it became

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prominent in the sky uh

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observing this is when I decided to call

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to Paul sash because to me I can explain

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what's going on so that was the lay of

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the land and the valley comes around and

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this is where the light in the sky

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became more prominent moving over

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following the valley until

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long behold it was above us this took

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great time

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how long do you think it's up

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how long do you think it took because

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I've never been able to really

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guesstimate this it must have been half

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an hour to 40 minutes until it was

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actually a boogers but to say that would

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return back in around half six

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phone call towards family of family and

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friends took place around 9 30. we've

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got to take into account it could have

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been between two and a half or two to

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two and a half hours

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at least yeah and that's without any

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extra time added on there where Sasha

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has gone out you know

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this is

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it's obviously he didn't seem to be that

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long but looking at the time frame of

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when I made the phone calls back to

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Leeds at the time we arrived back home

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given that it was February and it was

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dark and miserable yeah there's a fair

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few hours which we've actually gone into

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this site in you know most of the time I

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I felt numb Shell Shocked Maybe

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hypnotized by what was going on yeah

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that's a good way of describing it yeah

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I've actually mentioned that before

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because it occurred to me right after I

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mean yeah there's a certain form of

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hypnosis because everybody was known

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people were acting strange why would

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this be why would we felt that way we

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can't say what it is but it obviously

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something happened and the hypnotism of

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the numbness of Life what should be said

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what should be done something as

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ridiculous is when Sasha has returned

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back into the house after venturing out

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there you know my initial reaction well

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you know there's no missed time but the

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missed time may already have occurred

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this happened

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evening time

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we weren't going to stay out there

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walking in the dark we weren't too far

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away we're just along the along the

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valley we've been to Clan gothland we've

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been to Padley also that particular day

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uh so you know why would we be out in

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the colder mad drizzle when we had to

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lock fire open some good food to eat and

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two small children yeah taking

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everything we wouldn't be out late with

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two small children not at all

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and the other part like you know you're

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saying about the hypnotism are like it

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was like hypnotism

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um one thing that really disturbs me is

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that the urge that you had to actually

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go outside

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what were you doing when you had that

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urge I just felt the need I mean this

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has happened before but it's almost as

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if you need to go and do something

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sometimes I'll listen to that other

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times I won't I'd already established

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that night oh no it's overcast there I

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won't see anything a little boy says

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well you never know oh yeah okay not

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being negative about it I just felt the

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need to go out at that moment in time

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and just have that moment for myself and

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that's when this effect in the sky

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became became visible and then became

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more obvious I had to stand there

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for a good few minutes observing

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thinking hey

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what is this before I actually alerted

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anybody out with Sasha

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come on what is this no I can't explain

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and so he expands that I mean we've been

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passed that way in The Valleys but to

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actually see it from this article and at

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this height

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or so it was a mess it was a maintenance

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50 to 100 meters lower from here you can

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still see the expense of

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the valley range you can see that

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he was covered in the sky there's no

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doubt about that or the effect of what

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was going on

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clouds

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the entire Sky yeah we couldn't see this

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much of the sky really could we because

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of some of it is obscured by the hills

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because you know that we were not at the

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highest point over you went over to the

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Horizon we could see it did Cover

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um so what was the central part of the

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actual spectacular which was there

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Amplified over it's like a it's just a

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continuation is this the effect it's

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it is it moving out

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obviously so because the effect was

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there it was a month

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we are now because unfortunately you

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can't make it on Saturday due to work

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and life getting in the way of you

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living and so I'm going to ask you a few

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questions that I think the audience

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might have asked you

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had you been here today

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first question I'm going to ask is what

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made you go outside

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why were you out there looking at this

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guy

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well initially young returned to the to

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the cottage that that particular evening

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I uh got out of the car and died lots of

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things and skating you know no look at

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this solver counts

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my God I ain't going to say nothing

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tonight I'd like to see the stars see if

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there's any kind of activity

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but unfortunately no it was overcast

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and it was like this little voice inside

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the head

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don't be stupid

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you know taking a thing

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to use as some form of camouflage and

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it's like oh get in the house I thought

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you actually thought that the clouds

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would be camouflage that was this is in

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your head yeah it wasn't maybe it was in

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a subconscious part of mine yeah

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because it was I was doubting the fact

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you know it was always nice to make the

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star guys I'm an astronomer I'm no

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specialist in these things but it's just

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nice sometimes it's relaxing and it's

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something I enjoy to do but eventually I

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do it but it's it's overcast what the

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that was this little inkling this little

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voice this

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well okay I shut down obviously we all

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entered d

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I just remember being inside for a while

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and it was a sensation of

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I need to go out for a breath of fresh

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air I just need to go out

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and I went out so we while this was the

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front the actual front of the cottage

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still being overcast now very much dark

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it's just glaring

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over to the valley into the darkness to

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see

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then some form of

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life which was appearing through this I

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uh in the beginning I I actually thought

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it was some form of blanket lightning

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you know you know in the beginning hey

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there's some kind of activity there's

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going to be a storm

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where in actual fact it's like

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I was

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almost at the point of just coming back

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inside and I thought well I'm just gonna

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stay here for a few more moments so I'm

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just gonna hey what is the rush you know

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with this daily routine I'm just gonna

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but hey this is getting slightly bigger

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what is actually going on

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also you can see the silhouette of the

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valleys and

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it started to come over gradually

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it was at this point

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of course I I came into the house and I

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said to yourself hey

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but there's something going on up there

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yeah

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take a look take a look what do you

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think what what is this

283
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am I going Lulu what is actually going

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on here is because you know

285
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so that was the initial reaction it was

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like you know kind of I was quite

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astonished because

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no I want to be it doesn't seem normal I

289
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can't explain it but it could be one of

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the different forms of electrical

291
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activity which is going on up there what

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is there but no just hang on a minute

293
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I feel like lightning in the clouds it

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looked like far away a little little

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Flicker and then it was gone and then it

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came back on but then it went off and it

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came back on it went off that's what it

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was doing that's what I remember so

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that's why when it started to expand in

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the sky it became more apparent this is

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why when I first went out there I mean

302
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obviously it's like you look at

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something you look away it's not enough

304
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to actually catch the eye but it has

305
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actually caught the eye

306
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so to say because you wouldn't look back

307
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at 7 otherwise

308
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and that I did and I realized this is

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different it's

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something is actually happening it's not

311
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interesting when it was coming towards

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us it's actually expanded

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yeah describe that describe what that

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uh to me as it first started coming over

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the over the over the valley

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it was more Illuminating the cloud

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around it and obviously this silhouette

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of the valley but

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as we went

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around the back inside around the back

321
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and we told the others we then well I

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personally remember that's when it

323
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started to

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get more expanse the expanse of this

325
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this effect which I've seen which I've

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seen up in the sky it was just

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manifesting muscle and

328
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um well you know yourself but when the

329
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others were there they were observing

330
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what was going on there was various

331
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reasons why this could be happening you

332
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know I even questioned myself that that

333
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was after could it be a deformed

334
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radiation a residues which are being let

335
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as it started

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covered in the sky

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it was

338
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it seemed to take a certain pattern to

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revolving in

340
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and

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block wise

342
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but within the clockwise there was an

343
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anti-clockwise World effect but in the

344
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middle it became more apparent than

345
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there was some form of activity which to

346
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me the easiest thing to actually

347
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explain that would be more like a

348
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jellyfish effect

349
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it was strange it wasn't just the white

350
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non-electric blue like a pale

351
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gray blue

352
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it

353
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of the cloud that's why the full of

354
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Shades were changing but there was some

355
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there was somewhat some thought some

356
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form of formation

357
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going on

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and

359
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so that I became quite hypnotized it was

360
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it was just there it was expanded that's

361
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so as I remember it I thought

362
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um I thought it was getting bigger but I

363
00:18:02,570 --> 00:18:00,780
realized it was getting closer

364
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you know and then when it was in front

365
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of us it was literally the whole of the

366
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sky and there was like a central

367
00:18:13,970 --> 00:18:11,220
activity as you were saying but it kind

368
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of rippled through the clouds the light

369
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expanding through the clouds to the

370
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different thickness of the clouds they

371
00:18:25,850 --> 00:18:23,880
were brighter parts so it appeared like

372
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there were lines that were brighter but

373
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it was actually the different densities

374
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of the clouds

375
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definitely a formation the central point

376
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was the Epitaph of it all

377
00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:37,799
so it looks like jellyfish in a way

378
00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:39,440
didn't it was like yeah

379
00:18:44,930 --> 00:18:42,960
that all was a central point everything

380
00:18:48,169 --> 00:18:44,940
else just seemed like some form of

381
00:18:51,049 --> 00:18:48,179
oscillation which was there but it most

382
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definitely as I say as it did

383
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the rest of the valley

384
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and came above us

385
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it's like what the hell

386
00:19:03,169 --> 00:18:59,840
you know

387
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uh that is why

388
00:19:10,610 --> 00:19:07,440
obviously we all were suspecting what

389
00:19:12,770 --> 00:19:10,620
could it be there were miners there you

390
00:19:16,370 --> 00:19:12,780
know four or five years old you know

391
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back asking questions and I think they

392
00:19:19,490 --> 00:19:17,880
seem to know what was going on and we

393
00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:19,500
were just kind of too

394
00:19:26,650 --> 00:19:21,840
blown sideways to

395
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to to kind of protect them at one point

396
00:19:36,590 --> 00:19:33,480
because we didn't really know exactly

397
00:19:39,289 --> 00:19:36,600
what was going on

398
00:19:41,810 --> 00:19:39,299
and that was a strange

399
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:41,820
that was a strange

400
00:19:48,289 --> 00:19:45,840
part of it is how can you explain it's

401
00:19:52,669 --> 00:19:48,299
there what is actually going on I don't

402
00:19:54,909 --> 00:19:52,679
believe this did I ask you this yeah

403
00:19:56,750 --> 00:19:54,919
did I

404
00:20:00,529 --> 00:19:56,760
foresee

405
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:00,539
this event happened

406
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:02,880
it's there

407
00:20:08,810 --> 00:20:07,679
and obviously from there on obviously

408
00:20:11,330 --> 00:20:08,820
you know

409
00:20:14,270 --> 00:20:11,340
certain things occurred

410
00:20:18,590 --> 00:20:14,280
things started to go a bit strange yeah

411
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:18,600
well the strobe light so I you were you

412
00:20:25,490 --> 00:20:21,600
were kind of like to the back of me and

413
00:20:28,490 --> 00:20:25,500
I saw so um you know

414
00:20:30,890 --> 00:20:28,500
on my right

415
00:20:35,210 --> 00:20:30,900
um a strobe like bouncing off the side

416
00:20:37,549 --> 00:20:35,220
of the house so you start facing this

417
00:20:41,570 --> 00:20:37,559
way so you were kind of behind me but

418
00:20:44,210 --> 00:20:41,580
facing this way and it was there

419
00:20:46,610 --> 00:20:44,220
so this strobe light hit you full in the

420
00:20:50,270 --> 00:20:47,630
um

421
00:20:51,650 --> 00:20:50,280
it hit my back but I kind of turned

422
00:20:52,610 --> 00:20:51,660
around and said oh look there's another

423
00:20:55,850 --> 00:20:52,620
one

424
00:20:57,950 --> 00:20:55,860
now that's when it all got weird like

425
00:21:00,770 --> 00:20:57,960
super weird because it was already weird

426
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:00,780
like you started to feel uncomfortable

427
00:21:04,850 --> 00:21:03,360
then didn't you and you say you can't

428
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:04,860
really remember much past this point

429
00:21:11,150 --> 00:21:08,880
right before I was so fixed

430
00:21:12,770 --> 00:21:11,160
excited on what was actually going on

431
00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:12,780
the boat so that's when the strobe light

432
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:14,580
appeared wherever it came something

433
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:17,760
appeared to come to my left side of me

434
00:21:23,150 --> 00:21:20,880
it reflected me whatever it is it just

435
00:21:25,370 --> 00:21:23,160
totally shocked me I I wasn't expecting

436
00:21:28,730 --> 00:21:25,380
anything I'm there

437
00:21:31,070 --> 00:21:28,740
quite excited on what the hell is this

438
00:21:33,950 --> 00:21:31,080
this is just like

439
00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:33,960
is something gonna happen what's going

440
00:21:40,370 --> 00:21:35,700
to happen is anything going to happen

441
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:40,380
what is this just to

442
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:43,440
then moving on so much

443
00:21:49,250 --> 00:21:46,559
what what

444
00:21:50,750 --> 00:21:49,260
and the next moment it's just I think

445
00:21:54,770 --> 00:21:50,760
building up to this obviously people

446
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:56,810
but I mean we're taking it now to the

447
00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:59,520
latter part of our experience or my

448
00:22:04,970 --> 00:22:01,919
experience at that moment in time I just

449
00:22:08,330 --> 00:22:04,980
remember being inside trying to well I

450
00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:08,340
actually hold uh one of my own balls and

451
00:22:19,010 --> 00:22:11,940
I called my friends from the house back

452
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:23,930
around 9 30. now estimate that we must

453
00:22:31,490 --> 00:22:27,360
have got back in almost the right back

454
00:22:33,070 --> 00:22:31,500
to the cottage around 6 30 7 o'clock

455
00:22:36,409 --> 00:22:33,080
maximum

456
00:22:37,850 --> 00:22:36,419
it was going on for quite a while

457
00:22:41,390 --> 00:22:37,860
because

458
00:22:45,289 --> 00:22:41,400
within the first half an hour

459
00:22:47,450 --> 00:22:45,299
is being cited but it took about what

460
00:22:49,610 --> 00:22:47,460
how long did you reckon about 30 to 40

461
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:49,620
minutes from where we saw it on the

462
00:22:54,890 --> 00:22:50,880
furthest point

463
00:23:00,890 --> 00:22:58,669
I would actually say so because

464
00:23:03,409 --> 00:23:00,900
we could have been no longer than an

465
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,419
hour observing this at this point but I

466
00:23:06,350 --> 00:23:05,039
mean to the time we actually arrived

467
00:23:08,810 --> 00:23:06,360
back home I mean

468
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:08,820
none of us were experts in this

469
00:23:18,669 --> 00:23:10,799
so it's not the kind of thing that

470
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:21,710
but when you recap on things you want to

471
00:23:27,470 --> 00:23:24,480
start to relate and you think hey

472
00:23:29,630 --> 00:23:27,480
okay uh six quarter to seven

473
00:23:33,289 --> 00:23:29,640
there's a big difference there there's

474
00:23:36,590 --> 00:23:33,299
two hours and 45 minutes

475
00:23:39,470 --> 00:23:36,600
because during or just after this

476
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,480
experience I'm actually calling one of

477
00:23:45,470 --> 00:23:41,760
my uncles my son

478
00:23:47,710 --> 00:23:45,480
a house my housemates hey

479
00:23:50,810 --> 00:23:47,720
look I just want to say something's been

480
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:50,820
something's going on here I just want

481
00:24:00,169 --> 00:23:57,430
so it was quite a big time lapse I mean

482
00:24:03,169 --> 00:24:00,179
from an appointment to strobe effect I

483
00:24:07,970 --> 00:24:06,169
well I don't vet much after that I've

484
00:24:10,669 --> 00:24:07,980
mentioned the hurt

485
00:24:13,250 --> 00:24:10,679
yeah and whatever happened thereafter is

486
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,260
just another story altogether I mean

487
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,880
he's not looking for something you know

488
00:24:19,730 --> 00:24:17,039
starting to tell it is

489
00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:19,740
pure experience

490
00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:28,210
it's just pure

491
00:24:34,730 --> 00:24:31,370
it's just

492
00:24:35,870 --> 00:24:34,740
I can't explain if you don't know what's

493
00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:35,880
going on

494
00:24:41,450 --> 00:24:39,000
but in a State of Shock when you relate

495
00:24:45,169 --> 00:24:41,460
the states of shock I mean

496
00:24:46,250 --> 00:24:45,179
we can act irrational we can be very

497
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:46,260
calm

498
00:24:53,090 --> 00:24:49,919
in a stressful situation or a situation

499
00:24:55,490 --> 00:24:53,100
be known to ourselves something which is

500
00:24:58,490 --> 00:24:55,500
you know which is different

501
00:25:00,169 --> 00:24:58,500
it was just the occurrence just in

502
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,179
general was just completely what do you

503
00:25:06,890 --> 00:25:02,640
think to everybody's behavior that night

504
00:25:10,250 --> 00:25:06,900
uh is it actually yes and after like I'm

505
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,260
dead after the following the day but

506
00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:12,000
people were affected tonight as well

507
00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:13,620
what do you think

508
00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:18,059
that particular night I mean witnessing

509
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:20,580
you know

510
00:25:25,310 --> 00:25:23,760
a family member

511
00:25:29,330 --> 00:25:25,320
yeah

512
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:29,340
allowing a minor to

513
00:25:35,330 --> 00:25:32,159
basically deface

514
00:25:38,029 --> 00:25:35,340
with an ax which is a part of the the

515
00:25:40,130 --> 00:25:38,039
hounds and thinking boss got into you

516
00:25:44,750 --> 00:25:40,140
you wouldn't do this

517
00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:44,760
what is going on he was taking himself

518
00:25:49,789 --> 00:25:46,500
out of the event wasn't he putting his

519
00:25:56,649 --> 00:25:49,799
back to it and getting it but it were

520
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,870
you went straight to the sink

521
00:26:03,409 --> 00:26:01,440
the kids went back to where they were

522
00:26:04,669 --> 00:26:03,419
playing when I came downstairs and John

523
00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:04,679
and Dania just walked straight into the

524
00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:05,820
living room and sat down and started

525
00:26:10,190 --> 00:26:07,260
watching TV

526
00:26:12,830 --> 00:26:10,200
so I looked at you a lot thinking

527
00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:12,840
what the hell are you doing

528
00:26:19,250 --> 00:26:15,960
like you I was like you're all behaving

529
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:19,260
weird not that this was weird and I

530
00:26:25,970 --> 00:26:22,559
thought that it was a normal thing

531
00:26:28,909 --> 00:26:25,980
to just walk out by myself walk back up

532
00:26:31,789 --> 00:26:28,919
the garden stand right underneath it and

533
00:26:33,529 --> 00:26:31,799
like you say and you said earlier that

534
00:26:35,570 --> 00:26:33,539
you were like oh what's gonna happen

535
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,580
what now that's exactly what I was

536
00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:37,440
thinking looking at it but I was just

537
00:26:42,769 --> 00:26:40,260
like like awestruck I wasn't even

538
00:26:46,130 --> 00:26:42,779
frightened at all but when I had those

539
00:26:48,529 --> 00:26:46,140
feet that those footsteps that was when

540
00:26:51,529 --> 00:26:48,539
all of a sudden Boom the chest just

541
00:26:55,130 --> 00:26:51,539
exploded with adrenaline when it hit me

542
00:26:57,529 --> 00:26:55,140
whatever it was I was out of there I was

543
00:26:59,450 --> 00:26:57,539
gone and my brain was like run I was

544
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,460
already running I was already running

545
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:01,919
back to the house and then you said and

546
00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:04,080
I got in uh well you weren't being out

547
00:27:08,450 --> 00:27:06,120
there long so you haven't had any

548
00:27:10,669 --> 00:27:08,460
missing time which totally just broke my

549
00:27:13,250 --> 00:27:10,679
brain that was the end of me then that

550
00:27:15,049 --> 00:27:13,260
that it was like I don't care okay like

551
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:15,059
why would you even say that lock the

552
00:27:20,510 --> 00:27:19,679
doors shut the kids boom we are holding

553
00:27:23,570 --> 00:27:20,520
up now

554
00:27:27,289 --> 00:27:23,580
like this as well and you what do you

555
00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:27,299
say about that after then because I was

556
00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:30,059
in the state of absolute Terror and how

557
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:32,400
are you feeling

558
00:27:40,510 --> 00:27:36,240
well I think was a certain

559
00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:43,549
bouncing around one's head at that

560
00:27:48,409 --> 00:27:46,200
moment in time because obviously I said

561
00:27:51,409 --> 00:27:48,419
to you there's no missing time you know

562
00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:51,419
how could you relate that that was my

563
00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:54,360
I I became numb

564
00:27:57,890 --> 00:27:56,220
I could understand that they were

565
00:28:00,289 --> 00:27:57,900
sitting in the living room watching the

566
00:28:02,750 --> 00:28:00,299
TV it's to shut something off you can't

567
00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:02,760
explain what do you do it's like when a

568
00:28:06,049 --> 00:28:04,500
person is traumatized okay we know

569
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:06,059
there's a little bit about psychology we

570
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:15,830
how how

571
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:18,110
so you said that you felt watched as

572
00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:19,760
well didn't you you said

573
00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:22,380
observed and this I mentioned to you

574
00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:24,360
because

575
00:28:33,529 --> 00:28:29,880
after the initial observation and

576
00:28:35,450 --> 00:28:33,539
the event it hadn't gone away it was

577
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:35,460
still there

578
00:28:40,490 --> 00:28:37,919
it didn't go away

579
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,500
you know we've related it could it have

580
00:28:43,850 --> 00:28:42,480
been the house no it's not the house

581
00:28:49,730 --> 00:28:43,860
it's

582
00:28:52,430 --> 00:28:49,740
observed did you remember quite rightly

583
00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:52,440
I I said to you this is strange I feel

584
00:28:56,269 --> 00:28:55,080
weird I don't feel kind of comfortable

585
00:28:59,450 --> 00:28:56,279
right now

586
00:29:01,490 --> 00:28:59,460
it's as if the walls are transparent I

587
00:29:02,570 --> 00:29:01,500
just feel as if I'm being watched what's